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Time to think.

ahunter27t

Premium Member
NASCAR Truck Series 2022/S2
Name
Austin Hunter
Joined
Mar 7, 2018
Messages
264
Age
31
Location
Fulshear,Texas
iRacing ID
112148
Hey Guys,

Ill start with a background before this talk. i am not an admin but Ive been in PRL for a long long time. Heck Jerome didnt even own the league and him and i raced against each other in road leagues like 7 years ago long time.

But this season is getting out of control. we spent 48% of our laps last night under yellow. FOURTY EIGHT PERCENT. that is F'ING embarrassing guys. I really think some of us need to sit and think between now and next race if you really think you should be in a league that is this high of quality. We are not racing to our potential and it has got to get better now. When i pit last night with about 20-25 to go, i was one of two guys on new tires (No one else had less than 18 laps on theirs) and i had people BLOCKING FOR 20th place WHY?! most of yalls trucks were already jacked up and you are blocking for NO REASON. its moves like that, that start these unnecessary caution fests races.

We all come here to have fun, and quite a bit of us feel that its the same 8ish guys that are involved with these yellows, and i recognize that it may not always be that persons faults, but when those people are doing unconventional things (me trying not to call anyone stupid) it causes other maybe more safer drivers to start doing desperate things to get passed and starts a snowball from there. Its time to start thinking about how we can all improve to get our racing better and how we can get from IPACING to IRACING. if you cant stop crashing then go back to officials.

Getting off my soapbox now. Thank you
 

Jose Medina

Premium Member
NASCAR Cup Series 2022/S2
NASCAR Truck Series 2022/S2
Name
jose medina
Joined
Apr 22, 2020
Messages
76
Location
USA, California, Soledad
iRacing ID
389598
Hey Guys,

Ill start with a background before this talk. i am not an admin but Ive been in PRL for a long long time. Heck Jerome didnt even own the league and him and i raced against each other in road leagues like 7 years ago long time.

But this season is getting out of control. we spent 48% of our laps last night under yellow. FOURTY EIGHT PERCENT. that is F'ING embarrassing guys. I really think some of us need to sit and think between now and next race if you really think you should be in a league that is this high of quality. We are not racing to our potential and it has got to get better now. When i pit last night with about 20-25 to go, i was one of two guys on new tires (No one else had less than 18 laps on theirs) and i had people BLOCKING FOR 20th place WHY?! most of yalls trucks were already jacked up and you are blocking for NO REASON. its moves like that, that start these unnecessary caution fests races.

We all come here to have fun, and quite a bit of us feel that its the same 8ish guys that are involved with these yellows, and i recognize that it may not always be that persons faults, but when those people are doing unconventional things (me trying not to call anyone stupid) it causes other maybe more safer drivers to start doing desperate things to get passed and starts a snowball from there. Its time to start thinking about how we can all improve to get our racing better and how we can get from IPACING to IRACING. if you cant stop crashing then go back to officials.

Getting off my soapbox now. Thank you
Yes Sir i'm sick to my stomach just like many of us. I really never voice my opinion & sure won't do it on track but its bad & i feel for charles & Admin that work on explaining every caution. I'm all about driving clean & doing it the right way before being a faster driver which you guys already know i'm not fast but i know my place with limited time to practice not trying to be someone i'm not or force things yet !!! but with more practice & devoted time it should help one day Lol.. Just like drunk drivers they survive & victims end up in the Hospital or Dead last night i was the victim like a lot of my races when i'm trying to do the right thing & the instigators finish on the lead lap with no apology or ownership to the incident i rather be slower than not being a man. By drivers not owning up i hate you putting me at risk not to qualify on the next race or even being part of a decision not allowing me to race cuz a different view .. PRL is the most organize League i've been part of i hate this is happening to this league with the dedication they all put in that you would know if you ever ran a league . I have never ran one & defiantly never would try to, so much put into it i only can imagine & time away from there families to give us a experience that were wanting all i can say is thank you & sorry for when it has been my fault . Like Austin says were here to have fun not to ruins someones day. Oh one more thing i remember when the updated standings where up the same night or a day or 2 but i understand why that changed or i think i do. Ok i'm done
 
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Paul48

Premium Member
NASCAR Truck Series 2022/S2
Name
Thomas Sink
Joined
Mar 2, 2018
Messages
113
Location
United States Illinois
iRacing ID
174409
I'm going to second Austin in this. It's nothing less than embarrassing to have races like this. We all, joined PRL to have fun and avoid the mess we call Official Series. This is what we had, but this season seems to have brought on several drivers that are either too inexperienced, immature, or just lack common sense. I believe this is the first season in my several years to see someone suspended after their very first race, talks about being kicked already and it's for just a complete lack of racecraft.

After last night's race, I had 10 gallons of fuel and high 90's tire wear. That's with 60 laps from my last pitstop and after the longest run of like 8 laps. I never really even had a chance to put the truck through its paces at any point either.

I'd like everyone to self-evaluate themselves, (honestly) as a driver. If you don't think you can run a full fuel run without an incident, PRL isn't for you. I'd suggest running some Official stuff to improve your techniques. If you think you're going to run into people, or make unnecessary slide jobs, stop and watch the front runners. We can all learn from each other, but we have to do so intelligently. No one currently or in the future will ever be the next William Byron. You can set the league on fire and be a nobody in the first race without you.

PRL is a great host for us to enjoy quality racing with GSRC as our broadcast, so don't ruin it.

To Charles and PRL, you guys are saints dealing with this. I'd just start kicking out these problem children. It would make caution reviews a lot easier and a lot fewer headaches.
 

C.M. Pennington

Premium Member
NASCAR Truck Series 2022/S2
Name
Charles M. Pennington
Joined
Jun 4, 2021
Messages
99
Age
65
Location
Pocatello ID.
iRacing ID
632601
This is only my third season at PRL. I joined because I wanted to avoid the messes we see in official race. To race where respect for others on the track was the norm. A place where I could learn and get better. I was not disappointed, at least not in the league. I sometimes disappointed myself and the league. I learned real fast that I was no challenge for Bradley, Abner or really any of the guys running top ten every week. It's not about how fast you can go. It's about how fast you can go and have control. We all screw up from time to time, some more often than others. We all understand this and know it is part of racing, But this season has gotten ugly. We've gone from running races caution free to 48% under caution. That is not what you join a league for, it's what you join to get away from. It's not right to dump this in Charles's lap as there is only so much he can do. It's up to us as drivers in this really good league to respect each other enough to get control of our selves and race clean. It can be done, I've seen it here before this season. So come on guys we can do this. We can finish under green. We can knock cautions down to three or less per race. We can free up some time for Charles to spend with his kids. And we can stop spending half the race behind the pace car. But it's us, the drivers that need to get it done.
 

Daltonfallen

Premium Member
NASCAR Truck Series 2022/S2
Name
Dalton Geyer
Joined
Dec 28, 2020
Messages
28
Location
Lakewood, California, USA
iRacing ID
419561
This doesn't excuse how sloppy things got, even when it stayed green for a bit, but 6 out of the 10 cautions were ruled at least partial netcode with half of those cancelling out entirely because of netcode. Doesn't excuse some of the stuff that happened out there, in fact it really only amplified situations that were already dicey. Plenty of guys on old tires blocking, but plenty of faster guys diving in three wide at the last second from way back (sometimes down to the apron). I take responsibility for my one fuck up, but often times what landed me in trouble is trying to accomodate for guys who have one braking zone worth of patience.
 

DEvans51

Premium Member
NASCAR Truck Series 2022/S2
Name
Jeff Evans
Joined
May 28, 2020
Messages
80
Age
32
Location
Rochester, NY
iRacing ID
112840
This doesn't excuse how sloppy things got, even when it stayed green for a bit, but 6 out of the 10 cautions were ruled at least partial netcode with half of those cancelling out entirely because of netcode. Doesn't excuse some of the stuff that happened out there, in fact it really only amplified situations that were already dicey. Plenty of guys on old tires blocking, but plenty of faster guys diving in three wide at the last second from way back (sometimes down to the apron). I take responsibility for my one fuck up, but often times what landed me in trouble is trying to accomodate for guys who have one braking zone worth of patience.
Netcode may play a factor in some of the wrecks, but most of those are happening with or without the netcode happening..... it's just a matter of if it's a spin, or if the trucks are going to pop off each other when the netcode appears.

There's a reason that the same names are consistently involved in wrecks throughout the race and week after week, and it's not only because of netcode.
 

ZeKe_h30

Premium Member
NASCAR Cup Series 2022/S2
NASCAR Truck Series 2022/S2
Name
Adam Zemke
Joined
Feb 8, 2017
Messages
119
Age
36
Location
USA, Illinois
iRacing ID
349551
Start charging people $$ for cautions caused.
 

C.M. Pennington

Premium Member
NASCAR Truck Series 2022/S2
Name
Charles M. Pennington
Joined
Jun 4, 2021
Messages
99
Age
65
Location
Pocatello ID.
iRacing ID
632601
Start charging people $$ for cautions caused.
Well......Not all cautions are created equal. Perhaps a no excuse caution were the offense is so obvious there is no excuse for it. The offender can pay a fine or serve a suspension determined by review and judgment of the race admins. I'd be in agreement with this example. Remember we want full fields as well as green flag racing. Lets not chase good drivers away.
 

Daltonfallen

Premium Member
NASCAR Truck Series 2022/S2
Name
Dalton Geyer
Joined
Dec 28, 2020
Messages
28
Location
Lakewood, California, USA
iRacing ID
419561
Netcode may play a factor in some of the wrecks, but most of those are happening with or without the netcode happening..... it's just a matter of if it's a spin, or if the trucks are going to pop off each other when the netcode appears.

There's a reason that the same names are consistently involved in wrecks throughout the race and week after week, and it's not only because of netcode.
Oh, I'm not saying there's not a problem. If anything it's just a sign that we need to be even more careful. Even if we got rid of those netcode incidents entirely, four cautions isn't exactly a number to shoot for. By my calculations, over half the league has at least a partial caution point after last race, which doesn't exactly sound like a "few bad apples" scenario to me. There are some guys with two strikes right now though, but honestly, we'll be a lot better off if we just all drive like we have two strikes.
 
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