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Season 3 Race Poll

What type of race format would you be interested in for Season 3?

  • Our current rules of 25%, manual cautions, 1 stage break, and mandating 2 large parties for communic

    Votes: 10 71.4%
  • 25% races, automatic cautions and black flags, no stage breaks. Con: bunch of cautions will eat away

    Votes: 2 14.3%
  • 50% races, automatic cautions and black flags, no stage breaks. Con: caution free race will take us

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 50% races, automatic cautions and black flags, 2 stage breaks. Con: caution free race will take us t

    Votes: 2 14.3%

  • Total voters
    14

Hootius

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So over the past few days we have been running some practice lobbies and bouncing ideas off one-another. I wanted to create a poll to get everyone's opinion on what they feel would be the best option for this league to run. This will not be a final call with this poll, just a continuation of the on-going discussion. We have preseason races on 9/27 and 10/4, so by the time we start on 10/11, we will have a final decision made and stick with it though the season. Feel free to use this topic to bounce ideas off one another.
 

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Just a personal opinion from me. If we want to go the route of using the 2 stage breaks, I would vote that we change the bonus points so that way bonus points wouldn't straight up be the deciding factor on the full 10-race championship. That can be discussed later on if need be.
 

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I like stages, re-do the points if needed, it helps keep everyone in the race we've had a few where without the stage and after it was no contest...
I dont know enough about cautions yet hope to race more with you guys to experiment, if it saves time organizes, and prevents other misc. nonsense I'm for that too.

I felt we wasted the most if our time doing 45-60mph laps, it could be ruled when we can and can't put there for press circle and we are backed to racing within seconds
 

ZeKe_h30

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I'd like to know if we can pace 2 laps for adjustments with cautions turned on before I vote. Couple more things, I don't think we can turn cautions on/off between qualifying and the race. I assume we wouldn't run cautions during qualifying, that would be a mess. I can see that being a pain to have to make a whole new lobby, and then we would have to line ourselves up and have a manual start to the race.

I think I'm torn between 25% races with the old rules, and 50% races with the new rules. I know we are going to get into caution fests, and if we running 25% races, our laps are going to disappear instantly. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm gonna be bummed out if I spent any time practicing for a race that lasts 10 minutes.

I think our Texas race had like 18 cautions, 25% race at Texas is like 80 Lapsish, and each auto caution eats up at least 3 laps, that's over 54 Laps that just are gone. Put 2 stage cautions in there, and you have only driven 20 Laps the whole race. At least if we are doing manual cautions we are driving pace laps. And it's somewhat entertaining to pit during cautions. Actually the more I think about it, the more I would like to leave it the same as we have it. Auto cautions are cool, but they take the controls from you, and I don't think I like that.

EDIT: Last night we ran some race with the auto cautions, and it didn't call cautions sometimes on wrecks I think we would have called, so it has the tendency to screw us over pretty badly. It also was not very accurate in some instances when drivers had passed cars, had the caution come out, and place you back a couple spots. Not to say we were accurate all the time either, but I can see that being a problem. I doubt the game would call cautions for people getting hit down pit road either.

We also would not be able to send the person who caused the caution to the back like we do, or laggy cars. Not having black flags is a bummer, but I can live without it.
 

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Seemed like when we were in the practice lobby there were a lot of cautions. An excessive amount of cautions. Is that because that room was open to the public? Guys were diving for gaps that weren't really there, pushing, shoving, etc. People using controllers and just zig zagging through every corner. California we didn't even get a lap in. I'm all for cautions because we all make mistakes but that was ridiculous. I'm guessing it will be different once the championship begins. But I didn't race with you guys on the last title so actually I have no idea if it will be different.

I'm with Zeke, I like manual pit stops.
 

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Sean Wilson tweeted out that they are going to look into enabling Black Flags without Yellow Flags on in multiplayer, so that would solve my main issue lol
 

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Sassafrass_3 said:
Seemed like when we were in the practice lobby there were a lot of cautions. An excessive amount of cautions. Is that because that room was open to the public? Guys were diving for gaps that weren't really there, pushing, shoving, etc. People using controllers and just zig zagging through every corner. California we didn't even get a lap in. I'm all for cautions because we all make mistakes but that was ridiculous. I'm guessing it will be different once the championship begins. But I didn't race with you guys on the last title so actually I have no idea if it will be different.

I did have it open to some public guys (way of looking for new recruits), and at some points we were goofing off a little. I did notice one guy going a bit overboard with the craziness last night, which I hope does get toned down. That Daytona race was just a PUB disaster.
 

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I'm all for keeping the one stage, maybe only awarding the top 3 with points instead of the top 5 since we are now max 16 person lobby. Cautions are just not consistent enough. I went barrel rolling down the back stretch at Daytona and there was no caution, but a car gets lose in front of me, same race, caution. I mean I guess you could say it is just like real Nascar.
 

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One thought I have had for how points would be awarded per stage (if we were to do only 1 stage) - have the points awarded in a similar fashion to how they are for overall races in F1. Top half of the field get a certain amount of points, and the bottom half get none. My Example: (Position - Points) 1st - 10, 2nd - 9, 3rd - 8, 4th - 5, 5th - 4, 6th - 3, 7th - 2, 8th - 1, 9th-16th - 0.
This would give more of an incentive on finishing top 3 due to there being more points to score, but still be able to get points for finishing in the rest of the top 8. Imo, this would, to a certain degree, combine what Meatty said with only giving top 3 stage points for there only being 16 cars, but still let the people that ran semi-decent to get some points. If you feel that I'm insanely crazy with what I'm saying, feel free to say.
 

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Not that you're crazy, I just don't like that idea because I personally hate stage bonus points to begin with, let alone bumping them up to give them more importance. I may be old school, but I feel like the finishing order should be be way more important than where you are than at a certain lap in a race.
 

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Understandable. It's just that if the NH2 servers are still similar to NHE with the DC's, I personally think we need stages. Someone could lead basically the entire first half of the race after winning the pole, and have no competition for the lead/win, but then get a DC with very, very little points. If the servers were actually reliable, I'd be perfectly fine with no stages.
 

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So far the disconnects have been very minimal from what I have seen (with everyone I have raced with, only War has DC'd once), and the lag spike only really happen when I stream a boxing match in 4K while trying to race lol

Plus, the reason for wanting to minimize the bonus points from my point of view is that while I am not against a driver being in contention because of bonus points, but a driver flat out winning because of bonus points would be ridiculous in my view. I value Ave. Finish over being in the lead on "eat up time" laps.
 

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I understand that fully, been thinking the same thing with Truex in the actual NASCAR season. I guess I should have said this earlier, but what I said there would be my choice if the servers were still shit. If their semi-decent or good, I'd vote for either what meatty said or just no stages.
 

ZeKe_h30

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Truex won the regular season championship because he is fast, not because he snatched a bunch of bonus points, though they do go hand in hand. Not to mention he tied for most wins in the season...and just won the Playoff opener. He is not in the spot he is in because of bonus points, he is just fast.
 

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So we will be sticking to our previous method of mandating parties with leaders communicating in Discord for cautions and overall race directing. At the moment, there will be no black flags since we can not have them on without automatic cautions being on. However if that change is patched in, we will turn black flags on for pit road speeding penalties. Races will be the 25%, with just 1 stage break.
 
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