Round 5: Barber Motorsports Park - Full Course (July 13)

[AaronWebb85]

Race Time of day: 2020-07-11 9:15
Race Length: 45 minutes
Max Incidents: Drive through at 16x, DSQ at 24x
Max Fuel: [font=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]33% (approx 10 gal./38 liters)[/font]
Start: Rolling
Fast Repair: 1

PRE-RACE NOTES​

Welcome to the half way point of the season. Round 5 at the Barber Motorsports Park. BMP with its 16 turns, tight and twisty 3rd sector will prove challenging for these low down force GT4 cars. For 45 minutes, you will have to weigh the options of tire conservation versus raw pace and speed. In the end, those who make the wisest decisions will either have traction to battle to the end, or watch as the field passes them by for better positions. Which one will you choose to be this round?​

Racing at Barber Motorsports Park​

As is the case with just about every round this season and each venue we have visited, lap 1 is going to be all important to your results tonight. The approach to turn 1 is fast and the entry is going to catch a few of you out there. Being an off camber turn, on cold tires this is going to take your best efforts to make your cars stick. Remember that "YOU" are responsible for your actions on track and are also responsible to give each other room to race. This is especially key on lap 1.​

Heading into turn 4 is also tricky because it is a blind corner where your car's weight transfers up and to the outside. If you are taking the tighter line, make sure that you keep to the inside and not drift out wide into a competitor on track. If you are on the outside line, then watch out as you could end up in the grass with no traction at all! And if all this wasn't sufficient to give you enough to worry about, the approach to turn 5 is no better with the drop off where your cold brakes will have little effect if you come in too hot. So our advice tonight is to be careful on lap 1. ​

Some areas to pay extra attention to your surroundings are in turns 7 through 9 (the hairpin corkscrew), 10-11 and 12-13 as all of these turns have elevation changes where the car becomes weightless for a brief moment. Also, coming in too hot to these turns might put you off track into the grass. If you do find yourself off track in the grass, you need to watch your rejoin. Remember that an unfit rejoin that causes issues is a pro-testable offense with heavy penalties. ​

Pit entry at BMP shouldn't present too many challenges to racers. The entry to pit lane is well off of the racing line. The only thing to be mindful of is where the yellow cones are. It is very easy to come in too fast resulting in a stop/go penalty. ​

Pit exit on the other hand is different in that you are deposited right into Turn 1 where the racing action is challenging to those already out on track. We remind you to keep an eye on your relative box when exiting pit lane and to stay to the left side of the racing surface in the event there are cars racing on track. Likewise cars that are racing should be mindful when cars are exiting pit lane. ​

The rest of the track is fair game for battling and racing one another. Just remember to keep the racing clean guys. We are being broadcast for the remainder of the season so let's get out there and put on a great show for everyone. That is all for now. Good luck to everyone tonight!!!​

Your Organizers,​

Mark, David & Kenny​

 

[Mark Phile]

Race night gang, see everyone tonight

 

[TheGreatC81]

If anyone is looking for a setup for the M4, I've found the Watkins Glen set works well here. My best was a 1.30.5 in open practice last night. The tire drop off wasn't as bad as usual so my pace settled into low 1.31's. I'd imagine we'll see 1.29's from the fast guys. The front tires actually maintained a reasonable temp, so maybe we'll finally be competitive with the Porsches in the later laps.

 

[Spinn]

Diego, I am so sorry! I'm pretty sure I cost you the win (or at least fighting for it - James is damn fast), and I feel terrible about that. I was calling and moving to stay wide at the same time you were going wide to get around me.

I don't know if this is something worthy of a protest, or a shitty shitty racing incident. I understand if you protest it, and accept any penalty from the stewards.

 

[lafcam93]

Hi Raymond,

First of all really sorry about that, in my perspective, i tought we were going double line, then suddently i saw you make single file, i am sorry, i really didn't meant to make a pass there, i was just ancipating a double line turn.

I feel bad that your car was damaged, i know it's seems like the team has something against you because i saw Sebas hit you at Mosports, i want to apologize from the team about that too. Nothing personnal just 2 sad mistakes. 

You are a clean racer and i am again really sorry

Diego had a really good race, we he got that incident, i really feel that i should let him pass to have the battle we were aiming for, but... i do not think he would liked that if i let him pass, anyway really good race , that was difficult to pass, this track doesn't make it easy for the lapper and the lapping driver.

See ya next race and Raymond sorry again

 

[lafcam93]

Diego, I am so sorry!  I'm pretty sure I cost you the win (or at least fighting for it - James is damn fast), and I feel terrible about that.  I was calling and moving to stay wide at the same time you were going wide to get around me.

I don't know if this is something worthy of a protest, or a shitty shitty racing incident.  I understand if you protest it, and accept any penalty from the  stewards.

Yeah it's sad, i was really thinking about letting him comeback because i do not like to win that way, that was difficult for both of us to pass lapper and to let us pass. this track doesn't make it easy.

 

[diegomorales]

Diego, I am so sorry!  I'm pretty sure I cost you the win (or at least fighting for it - James is damn fast), and I feel terrible about that.  I was calling and moving to stay wide at the same time you were going wide to get around me.

I don't know if this is something worthy of a protest, or a shitty shitty racing incident.  I understand if you protest it, and accept any penalty from the  stewards.

Hey, Spencer. Yeah, that cost at least my chances to fight against James at the end... He was fast, but I think I could fight. I don't like protests, I think you did not did on purpose... but man, that one hurt...

I know this track is hard to let people pass, but I was slowed at least three times by lap cars in this race... Jon B Cochrane said for me to go right and then parked the car on the right side of the track, cost me at least 2s...

Anyway, I don't want be an ass. Everyone has their own race. But please keep an eye on that relative box and be clear on what you intend to do. 

Thanks for the intention, James, but you didn't have to do that at all, man. Congrats on the win!
See you guys next week.

 

[ShadowNinjaPug]

Thanks for the apology James. I was looking forward to a 3 way battle at the front with you and Diego. Maybe next week?

 

[Spinn]

Diego, I am so sorry!  I'm pretty sure I cost you the win (or at least fighting for it - James is damn fast), and I feel terrible about that.  I was calling and moving to stay wide at the same time you were going wide to get around me.

I don't know if this is something worthy of a protest, or a shitty shitty racing incident.  I understand if you protest it, and accept any penalty from the  stewards.

Hey, Spencer. Yeah, that cost at least my chances to fight against James at the end... He was fast, but I think I could fight. I don't like protests, I think you did not did on purpose... but man, that one hurt...

I know this track is hard to let people pass, but I was slowed at least three times by lap cars in this race... Jon B Cochrane said for me to go right and then parked the car on the right side of the track, cost me at least 2s...

Anyway, I don't want be an ***. Everyone has their own race. But please keep an eye on that relative box and be clear on what you intend to do. 

Thanks for the intention, James, but you didn't have to do that at all, man. Congrats on the win!
See you guys next week.

Yeah, I was watching the F3 and thought I had until the front straight before you would catch me, but nope!  You're fucking fast!!!

 

[diegomorales]

Diego, I am so sorry!  I'm pretty sure I cost you the win (or at least fighting for it - James is damn fast), and I feel terrible about that.  I was calling and moving to stay wide at the same time you were going wide to get around me.

I don't know if this is something worthy of a protest, or a shitty shitty racing incident.  I understand if you protest it, and accept any penalty from the  stewards.

Hey, Spencer. Yeah, that cost at least my chances to fight against James at the end... He was fast, but I think I could fight. I don't like protests, I think you did not did on purpose... but man, that one hurt...

I know this track is hard to let people pass, but I was slowed at least three times by lap cars in this race... Jon B Cochrane said for me to go right and then parked the car on the right side of the track, cost me at least 2s...

Anyway, I don't want be an ***. Everyone has their own race. But please keep an eye on that relative box and be clear on what you intend to do. 

Thanks for the intention, James, but you didn't have to do that at all, man. Congrats on the win!
See you guys next week.

Yeah, I was watching the F3 and thought I had until the front straight before you would catch me, but nope!  You're fucking fast!!!

No problem, man. See you guys next week!

 

[Magnan431]

Sorry Cristopher Richards for the contact at t4 !! I just give you back position for this mistake i hit the brakes a little too hard and have a bit of lock up sorry again !!

 

[Mark Phile]

I feel this group is well grounded, and most of us own our mistakes and send apologies to each other. I love seeing everyone work this stuff out in a positive manor, great job guys!

Now just to touch base with lapped traffic issues, for the 500th time , if the leaders are coming to pass you, just stay on the racing line, then you are predictable for them, especially in the corners! Get to a straightaway and then hit the mic and tell them where to pass, don’t be in the the driving line on a straight and just let off, pull to the side if possible. Communication is very important for these passes, try to have a comfortable easy to reach button mapped just for speaking in these situations, trust me it will help! Just remember these fast guys know what they are doing out there, and they definitely will know how to get around ya if your being predictable .

Just a heads up i will be missing next weeks race, if there any questions please feel free to reach out to Dave,& Kenny

 

[barryf1fan]

Hey, Spencer. Yeah, that cost at least my chances to fight against James at the end... He was fast, but I think I could fight. I don't like protests, I think you did not did on purpose... but man, that one hurt...

I know this track is hard to let people pass, but I was slowed at least three times by lap cars in this race... Jon B Cochrane said for me to go right and then parked the car on the right side of the track, cost me at least 2s...

Anyway, I don't want be an ***. Everyone has their own race. But please keep an eye on that relative box and be clear on what you intend to do. 

Thanks for the intention, James, but you didn't have to do that at all, man. Congrats on the win!
See you guys next week.

Hey Diego, I apologize if you didn't understand me - I said "I would go wide" and went wide into turn 5.  I was giving you and James the racing line.  I probably wasn't clear and will do better.  Definitely wasn't going to make you go 'round the outside at the hairpin. :lol: 

I am still new at this iRacing thing, and if there is a "standard" that is used, just let me know - like should I always say where for you to pass, or where I am going to move over.  And again though, sorry if that cost you a win, or even just a bunch of time.

Also, whoever I got into on lap 1 at the same turn 5, I am very sorry - no excuse, just completely lost where I was on track with all the cars around me and missed my brake point.  Any penalty I get from that is fair.  That was far and away my worst race in this inaugural sim season for me.  I don't expect to be anywhere near the front, but I expect myself to handle the racing better than I did last night.

I am still learning and trying to be courteous while still trying to "race" with people - as that's what we are all here for.

 

[TheGreatC81]

Not to beat a dead horse, but I wanted to add a few things about lapped traffic. As Mark said, stay on the racing line. You may feel like you are doing the faster guy a favor by giving him the line, but it's better to be predictable and let them go around. Even if you say something over the radio, the other driver may not hear it clearly or even at all. The only time you should deviate from the racing line is while an overtake is happening. If a faster car goes around the outside in a corner, obviously, you do not want to let your car run wide on the exit unless you know he's clear.

On long straights, I think it's still best to stay on the normal racing line. Let the faster car use your slipstream, then AFTER they move out to overtake, you can lift to let them by quicker. You also do not want to slow down too much. If you create too much of a speed differential, then cars will come up on you that much faster and they'll have less time to react to you.

If you're not sure what to do, just keep driving your line like you're hotlapping in practice and you'll be fine. If the fast guys don't have much trouble getting around us when we're defending, then getting around when we're not shouldn't be a problem. LOL!

 

[barryf1fan]

Not to beat a dead horse, but I wanted to add a few things about lapped traffic. As Mark said, stay on the racing line. You may feel like you are doing the faster guy a favor by giving him the line, but it's better to be predictable and let them go around. Even if you say something over the radio, the other driver may not hear it clearly or even at all. The only time you should deviate from the racing line is while an overtake is happening. If a faster car goes around the outside in a corner, obviously, you do not want to let your car run wide on the exit unless you know he's clear.

On long straights, I think it's still best to stay on the normal racing line. Let the faster car use your slipstream, then AFTER they move out to overtake, you can lift to let them by quicker. You also do not want to slow down too much. If you create too much of a speed differential, then cars will come up on you that much faster and they'll have less time to react to you.

If you're not sure what to do, just keep driving your line like you're hotlapping in practice and you'll be fine. If the fast guys don't have much trouble getting around us when we're defending, then getting around when we're not shouldn't be a problem. LOL!

Thanks for the clarification - and I probably should've asked this before I started this series. :lol:

 

[Magnan431]

I feel this group is well grounded, and most of us own our mistakes and send apologies to each other. I love seeing everyone work this stuff out in a positive manor, great job guys!

Now just to touch base with lapped traffic issues, for the 500th time , if the leaders are coming to pass you, just stay on the racing line, then you are predictable for them, especially in the corners! Get to a straightaway and then hit the mic and tell them where to pass, don’t be in the the driving line on a straight and just let off, pull to the side if possible. Communication is very important for these passes, try to have a comfortable easy to reach button mapped just for speaking in these situations, trust me it will help! Just remember these fast guys know what they are doing out there, and they definitely will know how to get around ya if your being predictable .

Just a heads up i will be missing next weeks race, if there any questions please feel free to reach out to Dave,& Kenny

Correct me if you dislike my comment but a lapper hit the brakes just in the middle of the straight line yesterday so close to cause an acciddent so if i can give a tips!! carry the leader to a straight line and when exiting the corner just lift a little the faster driver will make the pass or it will give him chances or advantage for next corner !! For me the worst thing to do is to hit the brakes at a place we are not supposed to !!! Dont be shy to correct me if my english make squeak some of you !!

 

[Stacy Hunter]

I'm always slow but the car handled like crap once I joined the server last night.  Come to find out, I had the baseline setup loaded.  Not sure how that happened.  It wasn't too bad, but a lot tighter than the set-up I had.

That being said, I'm new to this style of racing and I'm slow.  I always try and get out of the way, but as a back marker I understand the troubles.  I use the relative box and I know I try too hard to plan on when the faster cars are going to reach me.  I may be pretty close in speed in some sections but way slower in others, so sometimes this is hard to do.  Also, I feel if I run the racing line and keep my speed, then the lapping drivers think that I'm trying to race them and you get remarks like "why are you racing me when you are laps down" (or similar) when in fact you are just trying to be smooth, run your line and not screw up in front of them.  I'm not saying I hear this here, but I'm sure we've all heard it somewhere even if it wasn't directed at you.  The above posts do make it all clear, but we all need to follow the suggestions all of the time and not just some of us some of the time or everything still winds up being unpredictable by the lappers and the lappese (is that even a word).  Anyway, I get really frustrated being as slow as I am, but I enjoy racing in this series.  I'd say it's a pretty good group.

 

[Mark Phile]

I'm always slow but the car handled like crap once I joined the server last night.  Come to find out, I had the baseline setup loaded.  Not sure how that happened.  It wasn't too bad, but a lot tighter than the set-up I had.

That being said, I'm new to this style of racing and I'm slow.  I always try and get out of the way, but as a back marker I understand the troubles.  I use the relative box and I know I try too hard to plan on when the faster cars are going to reach me.  I may be pretty close in speed in some sections but way slower in others, so sometimes this is hard to do.  Also, I feel if I run the racing line and keep my speed, then the lapping drivers think that I'm trying to race them and you get remarks like "why are you racing me when you are laps down" (or similar) when in fact you are just trying to be smooth, run your line and not screw up in front of them.  I'm not saying I hear this here, but I'm sure we've all heard it somewhere even if it wasn't directed at you.  The above posts do make it all clear, but we all need to follow the suggestions all of the time and not just some of us some of the time or everything still winds up being unpredictable by the lappers and the lappese (is that even a word).  Anyway, I get really frustrated being as slow as I am, but I enjoy racing in this series.  I'd say it's a pretty good group.

I like this group too! Everyone is pretty level headed, and most guys are easy going. As for being slow join the club , we all can’t be like them fast guys. I wish I could get up there and fight for the podium, but i also take pride in my mid pack rivals, so keep digging and you will climb your way through!

 

[diegomorales]

Hey, Spencer. Yeah, that cost at least my chances to fight against James at the end... He was fast, but I think I could fight. I don't like protests, I think you did not did on purpose... but man, that one hurt...

I know this track is hard to let people pass, but I was slowed at least three times by lap cars in this race... Jon B Cochrane said for me to go right and then parked the car on the right side of the track, cost me at least 2s...

Anyway, I don't want be an ***. Everyone has their own race. But please keep an eye on that relative box and be clear on what you intend to do. 

Thanks for the intention, James, but you didn't have to do that at all, man. Congrats on the win!
See you guys next week.

Hey Diego, I apologize if you didn't understand me - I said "I would go wide" and went wide into turn 5.  I was giving you and James the racing line.  I probably wasn't clear and will do better.  Definitely wasn't going to make you go 'round the outside at the hairpin. :lol: 

I am still new at this iRacing thing, and if there is a "standard" that is used, just let me know - like should I always say where for you to pass, or where I am going to move over.  And again though, sorry if that cost you a win, or even just a bunch of time.

Also, whoever I got into on lap 1 at the same turn 5, I am very sorry - no excuse, just completely lost where I was on track with all the cars around me and missed my brake point.  Any penalty I get from that is fair.  That was far and away my worst race in this inaugural sim season for me.  I don't expect to be anywhere near the front, but I expect myself to handle the racing better than I did last night.

I am still learning and trying to be courteous while still trying to "race" with people - as that's what we are all here for.

Hey Jon, I totally understand man. I apologize on writing that, it was just right after the race and tempers were a littlh.e bit hig I didn't mean that you made on purpose at all Just a little miscommunication. Hope you understand.

I really like how thoughtful everyone is. Thanks guys and excited for next week

 

[TheGreatC81]

I'm always slow but the car handled like crap once I joined the server last night.  Come to find out, I had the baseline setup loaded.  Not sure how that happened.  It wasn't too bad, but a lot tighter than the set-up I had.

That being said, I'm new to this style of racing and I'm slow.  I always try and get out of the way, but as a back marker I understand the troubles.  I use the relative box and I know I try too hard to plan on when the faster cars are going to reach me.  I may be pretty close in speed in some sections but way slower in others, so sometimes this is hard to do.  Also, I feel if I run the racing line and keep my speed, then the lapping drivers think that I'm trying to race them and you get remarks like "why are you racing me when you are laps down" (or similar) when in fact you are just trying to be smooth, run your line and not screw up in front of them.  I'm not saying I hear this here, but I'm sure we've all heard it somewhere even if it wasn't directed at you.  The above posts do make it all clear, but we all need to follow the suggestions all of the time and not just some of us some of the time or everything still winds up being unpredictable by the lappers and the lappese (is that even a word).  Anyway, I get really frustrated being as slow as I am, but I enjoy racing in this series.  I'd say it's a pretty good group.

You are doing it right by concentrating on being smooth. It's more important to be predictable by staying on your line and hitting your marks. Lapping cars may get frustrated if they don't get by right away, but unless you are defending or blocking them, it's their problem. I mean, if they are fast enough to lap you, but they can't overtake you when you are not defending, then that's on them. LOL! The only thing I think lapped cars should do is lift a little to let them complete the pass once they get along side. That way you don't get stuck side by side for longer than you need to be. You don't want to lift before they make the move, as that may catch them off guard and cause an incident. 

Now, say a group of cars that is battling for position approaches, you (anyone, not you in particular, Stacy) may think to pull aside and slow down on a long straight to let them by. Here is why I think that's a bad idea. Let's say there are 4 cars in the pack, just for an example. If you slow down, 3 may get by, but the last one may not have time before the next corner. Then, not only are you stuck in the middle of the pack, but you are now going to slow the last guy down much more because you are not at race pace. You've helped the first 3 cars, but unintentionally screwed the 4th considerably. If you stay at your normal pace, each car has to get by you on his own, but it's the same deal for all 4. No one gets an easy pass while the others have to wait. Or at least, if someone does get screwed, it because of bad timing or a poor overtake on their part, not anything you did. Also, even if you were to slow and all cars in the pack get by cleanly, now you are way off race pace and have to get back up to speed while other cars quickly approach from behind. So now you have to time when you can safely rejoin the racing line. It just creates a mess, whereas if you just drive your line and let the faster guys do their thing, it works better for everyone.

I hope this makes sense for everyone. This is also my opinion from my own experience. If anyone disagrees or has questions, please keep the discussion going. We (the organizers) are always willing to help and answer questions during practice as well.