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Round 2: Bahrain - Bahrain International Circuit (26Sep18 @ 9pm EDT)

AaronWebb85

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Last Season's Results: 
1st: Darklol
2nd: Tron4949
3rd: piboye
Pole: Darklol (01:28.310)
FL: kub (01:31.701)

Pre-Race Interview
1. How was your first race of the season ? Have you met your team's expectations ?
2. How was your fuel, ERS and tires management in Australia ? 
3. Tell us how do you feel about Bahrain, what do you like or hate about it ?
 

moogleslam

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Falco Bronzo said:
I won't be racing this one.

Thanks for letting us know.  I've contacted the first driver on the waiting list, kevmanw430, to see if he is available to take your McLaren seat.
 

Darklol

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Thanks Falco for the notice ! Also Pre-Race Interview is up !
 

moogleslam

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Pre-Race Interview

1. How was your first race of the season ? Have you met your team's expectations?
Yeah, that probably didn't go as well as I hoped.  A DNF is a bit short of my team's expectations, so Cyril Abiteboul might not be super excited about his off-season signing.  Still, I doubt he wants Jolyon Palmer back, and at least iceman finished 4th for some solid points.

2. How was your fuel, ERS and tires management in Australia? 
I over fueled by two laps, thinking I'd need to burn it in the race, but there was little point in my first stint because I was dealing with front wing damage, and then my race was over on lap 15.  Back in the last F1 201x games I played, there was no ERS, but I was changing my brake bias for almost every single corner, sometimes 10+ times per lap.  In F1 2018, because I've now got fuel mix +/- and ERS +/- mapped to my (only) 6 button steering wheel (along with the Pit Limiter and Look Behind), I haven't got the buttons to spare for Brake Bias so haven't adjusted it one single time when on track since I got the game.  I do love the ability to manage ERS throughout the lap though as it adds a fun strategic element.  Tire wear seemed to be higher than when I tested in a Practice Session, but that might be due to understeer from my front wing damage.

3. Tell us how do you feel about Bahrain, what do you like or hate about it?
I won this race back in my championship season (3), and though that was an INTENSE season long battle with Dusty & JDigital, I was actually battling Disc0Potat0 in this race.  He was leading as we started the last lap, but he ran out of fuel on the back straight, and I passed him right before the line to take the win!  Anyway, good memories, so I'm pretty fond of Bahrain.  It's a good circuit with a good mix of corners, and despite initially being declared boring in the real world, it's actually produced some of the most exciting races over the last half dozen years.  Of course, I have no idea how I'll fair here in terms of pace.  I won't base too much on Australia, and I'll wait for a bigger sample size, but I expect the race to be fun; good passing opportunities into turn 1 I'd think.
 

moogleslam

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moogleslam said:
Falco Bronzo said:
I won't be racing this one.

Thanks for letting us know.  I've contacted the first driver on the waiting list, kevmanw430, to see if he is available to take your McLaren seat.

Confirmed that kevmanw430 will take the McLaren seat:  [5:25 PM] HandyCabbage (kevmanw430): I should be! I'll get practicing.
 

Zephyr

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[font=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Pre-Race Interview[/font]
[font=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]1. How was your first race of the season ? Have you met your team's expectations ?[/font]
wasnt there
[font=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]2. [/font][font=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]How was your fuel, ERS and tires management in Australia ?[/font][font=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] [/font]
wasnt there

[font=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]3. [/font][font=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Tell us how do you feel about Bahrain, what do you like or hate about it ?[/font]
One of my best tracks in terms of pace. I really enjoy the whole flow of the track and the many opportunities to overtake. Its flowing corners really suit my driving style. I just always struggle with the braking into T10. I just cant seem to be consistent with it in this game.
 

Bobino12

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1. How was your first race of the season ? Have you met your team's expectations ?
Pretty good. I'm quite happy because this track always caused me trouble before. The team's expectations were achieved.

2. How was your fuel, ERS and tires management in Australia ?
Management is quite fun and I enjoyed that all race long. Had no trouble at all but it was important to keep full concentration.

3. Tell us how do you feel about Bahrain, what do you like or hate about it ?
I like driving on this track even if the section 2 is pretty difficult with the right braking points hard to find regularly.
 

Sucuri

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1. How was your first race of the season ? Have you met your team's expectations ?

Terrible. First legit DNF in two seasons. Not even close to our expectations, we got a 22 point hole to crawl out of (Kudos to Dark + Megaman).

2. How was your fuel, ERS and tires management in Australia ?

Great, for the few corners I ran!

3. Tell us how do you feel about Bahrain, what do you like or hate about it ?

For various reasons I never raced here before, so I have to learn the track tonight and tomorrow. It was hard the few laps I put in Friday.
 

patlessard

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Pre-Race Interview
1. How was your first race of the season ? Realll Baaaad Have you met your team's expectations ? nope
2. How was your fuel, ERS and tires management in Australia ? really bad since I received my new Wheel just before the race and couldn't remember the button's I assigned
3. Tell us how do you feel about Bahrain, what do you like or hate about it ? I like racing at night there , not fond of sector 2 ...
 

moogleslam

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patlessard said:

I like racing at night there , not fond of sector 2 ...

Sector two must surely be one of the toughest and most technical sections of any race track on the calendar!  Turns 5, 6, 7 look simple, but they're tough to get right, and the kerbs there are brutal compared to real life.  They also feel a lot slower than F1 2011-F1 2014, and my brain refuses to adjust.  I think the wider cars have some small impact.  Turn 8 isn't awful, but again it's about deciding how much of the left kerb you want to use to minimize the angle, and it's another unforgiving kerb on entry.  Same for turn 10, which is surely one of the toughest corners on the calendar.  So easy to lock up since the front left is unloaded, and in this game, it seems like you can't possibly have enough rear brake bias to take this corner like you used to.  Hitting that apex is so important for the next straight, and the outside kerb on entry can straighten it up earlier so you can carry even more down that straight, or it can lock you up under braking and send you wide.   Turn 11 is nearly impossible to get right, because I'm always waiting to get back on the power for longer than I think I should be, and then with my setup, my back end is always on the verge of stepping out for 12.  

Is it just me, or does our circuit map make turn 5 look much less tight than it actually is? ... even though it's mostly just a corner to get ready for 6 & 7.

I watched Vettel's pole lap from this year, and he uses much less kerbs than I'd expect (1, 2, 4, 8), and also has some early turn in for a few corners like 8.  He also goes wide a lot earlier than I'd expect for 9, which makes 10 easier for him.

I just looked at the circuit map, and thought to myself, there isn't one single corner on this entire circuit that I feel I'm taking 100% optimally.  Every single one is tough.
 

Megaman

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[font=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]1. How was your first race of the season ? Have you met your team's expectations ?[/font]
Pretty good, a podium finish on a track that I really like, perfect! Started 6th, I took advantage of a contact at turn 1 and managed a cautious race after I made a huge mistake early in the race. Toto was more than happy!
[font=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]2. [/font][font=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]How was your fuel, ERS and tires management in Australia ?[/font][font=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] [/font]
It was ok for tires but fuel mix and ers is kind of hard to manage at the same time.. i guess I'll get used to it after couple races.  
[font=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]3. [/font][font=Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Tell us how do you feel about Bahrain, what do you like or hate about it ?[/font]
I think I like it. End/start of sectors 1-2 is very fun but turn 10 can be at nightmare if you miss your braking point.
 

moogleslam

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Crizano is out for tonight.  I'm working on filling his Williams seat in order of reserve sign ups, and will report back here when I have an update.
 

moogleslam

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moogleslam said:
Crizano is out for tonight.  I'm working on filling his Williams seat in order of reserve sign ups, and will report back here when I have an update.

LAcadien will take crizano's seat at Williams tonight.

If anyone else knows they'll miss it, please post here ASAP!
 

Tron4949

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Twitch, I'm so sorry for spinning you, obviously it was my fault, I just didn't realize you were right next to me at that point, I definitely should have, I thought it was safe to move over a width - I tried to get out of Plasmas air after going in the grass and I was just paying too much attention to him.  Hopefully the video explains it a little more.

EDIT: (in case you didn't notice that it was me, I gave the position back to you at the beginning of sector 3)

[youtube]7G80hSkQK8I[/youtube]
 

moogleslam

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Rather than a wall of text like my Australia recap, here's a wall of bullet points (made up of text.  Hmmm)

The Build-Up
[ul]
[li]I really can't believe how much practice I did for this race, mostly testing out different strategies.  So many valid options.  SS-M, SS-S-SS, SS-SS-S, SS-S-S, maybe even S-M if you're willing to sacrifice grid position.  There was about a 9 second difference between the fastest and slowest over the race distance in my testing.[/li]
[li]Unlike strategy, and unlike Australia, I really did not spend much time on setup.  I grabbed one from someone in TT, it felt good (unlike all the Australia TT setups), and I went with it without making a single change.  I'm not really a setup guy.  I don't understand them entirely, I don't have the patience for them, and they don't make much sense in this game anyway (1-11?)[/li]
[li]I was feeling pretty good about my pace and consistency....[/li]
[li]....until iceman told me what time Dark had done in TT a couple of nights ago.[/li]
[/ul]
Qualifying
[ul]
[li]I didn't spend much time working on qualifying pace until 45 minutes before the race where I went right out and did back to back 1:27.3's with practically identical sector times (which was freaky) in a Mercedes in GP mode, and though neither lap felt great, I was feeling good about the time.[/li]
[li]Then iceman and I jump in our Renaults in online mode, and I can't get any where close to that time - like a second off it!  What is going on?  I'm thinking it's tire temps, or maybe the Renault isn't so equal to the Mercedes after all.[/li]
[li]9pm comes along, and after being pretty excited about this race all week long, I'm now not so happy about how I can't get close to my GP mode Mercedes qualy times.[/li]
[li]Go out and first lap is a frustrating 1:28.2 - still almost a second off.[/li]
[li]Then I absolutely nail everything on my second lap, it feels almost perfect, but it's still not as close as my single player times!  1:27.5.  I'm happy all the same as I had already given up hope of getting a time like that online.[/li]
[li]I'm not really wanting to start any conspiracy theories about cars not being equal yet, but they really do feel different.  Can't break so late, not as much corner grip so waiting longer to get back on the throttle.  Maybe it's all in my head?  [/li]
[li]I've been spoiled in the past because I've always been able to pick my car first or close to first, and back then, equal cars were based on the McLaren, so I was able to use the same car in single player and online.  It is a bit weird going between the Mercedes engine and the Renault engine too.[/li]
[li]Piece of PRL history: in our very first season here (or maybe second?), when we discovered that equal cars weren't really equal in F1 2011, we had a championship deciding race at Abu Dhabi, and the championship was close between two drivers, blutank and LITE.  blutank discovered (or thought) that his Renault (probably Lotus back then) had a disadvantage and wasn't equal, so he asked to switch cars for that championship deciding race.  I let him, he won race (I think), and won the championship.  Regardless of equal cars or not, I've always said that letting him use a different car for that race was my one and only PRL regret.  He picked it so needed to stick wtih it, and it just felt like it diminished the integrity of the championship a bit, and I think he was perfectly capable of winning in his Renault anyway.[/li]
[li]Back to Bahrain where my 1:27.5 was good for 6th on the grid, and even if I had matched my single player time, it wouldn't have moved me any further up, so ultimately, no complaints.  This was a 1 place improvement over Australia, and like Australia, I had my teammate iceman one place behind me.[/li]
[li]Then again, I'm 9 tenths off pole?!?!  Come on Dark, give us some tips! (no really, can you PM me and at least give me your setup?  Talk later.  Thanks)[/li]
[/ul]
Race
[ul]
[li]The plan was a SS-S-SS strategy with stops on lap 7 and 20.[/li]
[li]I had a really good start when the lights went out, while kub in his Sauber really seemed to struggle off the line, so I moved into 5th on the run down to turn 1.  [/li]
[li]I'm still playing it super cautious on the first lap; anyone else? :p[/li]
[li]I was in a bit of an awkward spot as I was on the far right, making the corner even tighter than it already is, so I really had to slow a lot to make it safely.  As I took turn 1, my teammate iceman appeared on my left and it looked like a Ferrari squeezed him on his other side, so he ended up pinched.  He didn't take damage, but my front wing didn't look so happy afterwards, and I was already thinking about changing my strategy because of that.[/li]
[li]This was me down to 7th, but as I approached turn 4, there was more carnage in front of me, involving a Ferrari, Force India, and my teammate yet again.  This caused his speed to rapidly drop, and I couldn't avoid hitting the back of him.[/li]
[li]Then the Ferrari and iceman go through turn 6 side by side, they touch, which forces iceman wide and off track, and when he comes back on track, maybe his back end kicks out (not sure), so he slows, and I couldn't avoid hitting the back of him yet again! 3 for 3!  This time the other side of my front wing is damaged.[/li]
[li]iceman informs me that he also has front wing damage at this point and needs to pit, so he pits on lap 2, and I wait till lap 3 where I fit the Soft compound.[/li]
[li]Just to be clear, despite all the contact between teammates, we drive for Renault, and not Force India :)[/li]
[li]Even though iceman and I touched 3 times, I don't think either of us are at fault, ok Charlie?[/li]
[li]I still finished the first lap in 8th, but having to pit so early and the compromised strategy wasn't going to help over the remainder of the race.[/li]
[li]The new plan then was to run the Soft until lap 15, then fit Soft again to run until the end.[/li]
[li]The rest of the race was a lot quieter.  I got to have a few little fun battles with Sucuri, bobino, piboye, Olivier, and maybe others I'm forgetting, but everyone was on different strategies, so I never tried to put up much of a fight in order to not lose lap time.[/li]
[li]After the lap 1 chaos, I had nothing major going on, and I was happy with my consistency.  No incidents, no time penalties, no mistakes, and in the 31's or 32's.[/li]
[li]Despite that, I found myself outside the points in 11th after everyone had completed their final pit stops which was really disappointing.[/li]
[li]With a couple of laps to go, I thought there was a chance of catching Olivier, and then I saw he was in a battle with Mudd, so that might help my cause.  [/li]
[li]Then my engineer informed me that Mudd had wing damage, and I saw he was losing a lot of time.  On the final lap, I was able to pass him right before the back straight to steal the final point away from him.  Olivier was still a couple of seconds ahead though.[/li]
[li]Huge thanks to the couple of guys I lapped.  Backmarkers did a great job of getting out of the way - maybe even more than needed; don't compromise your own races too much![/li]
[/ul]
Final Thoughts
[ul]
[li]Two races.  1 point.  That's disappointing, but I'm actually pretty grateful to have 1 point when it looked like 0 points until the final few seconds of the race.[/li]
[li]My total race time was about 33 seconds behind what I was targeting.  Most of that was lost in the opening two laps, and then the rest from the compromised strategy.  I think 5th was possible if all went to plan, but it so rarely does.[/li]
[li]I may or may not have had a chart next to my monitor that showed strategy adjustments for each lap should I suffer damage or should a safety car come out.[/li]
[li]It's impressive that 13 of the 16 finishers were still on the lead lap which suggests we should have lots of close racing throughout the season.[/li]
[li]Hopefully we can have (or at least I can have) a clean opening lap at China![/li]
[li]China's been good to me in the past, but, like Bahrain, it's pretty technical with a lot of challenging corners.  Looking forward to starting the setup/strategy process again though, and can't wait for next Wednesday![/li]
[/ul]
I'll try and get my totally famous LAP1Series Bahrain entry uploaded tonight.

Dave & Zephyr, what happened to get you a DNF?  How did everyone else's race go?
 

Zephyr

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I got screwed at the beginning of the race just like the 2 preseason races. I was taking it super careful cause i wanted to make sure i didnt get a broken front wing. I purposefully qualified out of the top 10 so i could start on a fresh set of soft tires. Then heading into T4 i was slow in as to not hit anybody so i was exiting the corner on the right side of the track (thats how slow i was going), then Bobino slammed into the side of me and broke my front wing completely.

I am not blaming Bobino at all. he was making a last ditch effort to avoid a driver who was spun or reentered track dangerously. I cant tell from my view.

This totally ruined my race. I had to pit and because of my tire strategy and the tires i brought the track, it meant that i was going to have to do a 3 stop race because i couldnt stay out with a red front wing. This coupled with the fact that because of the incident i was already half a lap down on the leader (i was entering T8 when dark crossed the line for the end of lap 2), i just retired myself. I know i should stick it out and race but i dont enjoy just driving around a track by myself all race. I was so far behind i wouldnt see anyone for 90% of the race. I just decided to cut my losses and get some needed sleep instead of racing.

I really hope it goes better next time. People really need to not race like its a 1 lap race. The race was 29 laps and people need to try to be more clean. And before anyone calls my hypocritical, yes i know i struggled with this in the past but i just want to pass my wisdom on so other people can learn as well
 
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