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Results, Standings & Records

jeromef1

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Jerome Berthiaume
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jeromef1

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Updated with Round 1. There is an investigation about the position of David Dreckman. Apparently, he has been black flag at the end because John Labaff was out of fuel, more to come.
 

bige3dalejr88

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Standings have been updated, the following changes were made:

1.) Kodey Knapmiller was awarded 1pt. He was supposed to be awarded 2 bonus points for Round 1 - Daytona. Leading Lap and less than 3 incidents. His points scored for the event went from 35 to 36.

2.)David Dreckman recieved a black flag for Passing under caution at the end of the race. He received a penalty moving him to the tail end of the lead lap. This placed him 9th, when he was running 6th. Because of this adjustment, Colton Layne, Markell Murphy, and Chris Perez points were adjusted also. To reflect the changes of the finishing results.
 

smattocks

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bige3dalejr88 said:
Standings have been updated, the following changes were made:

1.) Kodey Knapmiller was awarded 1pt. He was supposed to be awarded 2 bonus points for Round 1 - Daytona. Leading Lap and less than 3 incidents. His points scored for the event went from 35 to 36.

2.)David Dreckman recieved a black flag for Passing under caution at the end of the race. He received a penalty moving him to the tail end of the lead lap. This placed him 9th, when he was running 6th. Because of this adjustment, Colton Layne, Markell Murphy, and Chris Perez points were adjusted also. To reflect the changes of the finishing results.

Why as the adjustment made for David Dreckman? After having reviewed the reply...David Dreckman did pass John LaBluff; however, John was not out of fuel.  He actually speed up after he crossed the start/finish.  This is clearly evident by watching the replay.  The original standings should be maintained (IMO).

I agree with Kodey's adjustment; he finished with 0 incidents and led two laps (just my 2 cents)
 

Johnny Pierce

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smattocks said:
bige3dalejr88 said:
Standings have been updated, the following changes were made:

1.) Kodey Knapmiller was awarded 1pt. He was supposed to be awarded 2 bonus points for Round 1 - Daytona. Leading Lap and less than 3 incidents. His points scored for the event went from 35 to 36.

2.)David Dreckman recieved a black flag for Passing under caution at the end of the race. He received a penalty moving him to the tail end of the lead lap. This placed him 9th, when he was running 6th. Because of this adjustment, Colton Layne, Markell Murphy, and Chris Perez points were adjusted also. To reflect the changes of the finishing results.

Why as the adjustment made for David Dreckman? After having reviewed the reply...David Dreckman did pass John LaBluff; however, John was not out of fuel.  He actually speed up after he crossed the start/finish.  This is clearly evident by watching the replay.  The original standings should be maintained (IMO).

I agree with Kodey's adjustment; he finished with 0 incidents and led two laps (just my 2 cents)

Regardless of the confusion of who or what goofed  up pacing, the field was frozen at the time the caution flew and I would assume this is what the race directors correction was based on.  I couldn't see the replay, but even if it was david that screwed up the pace, that is not something anyone would be penalized for.  The call is correct.
 

bige3dalejr88

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The results were updated with what would have been the finishing race results. Yes John did speed up after crossing the line, and David did get by him before. But, the field was in all aspects, no matter how you look at it, frozen. We had no chance of going green.
If anyone gets a similar penalty at the end of the race, we will adjust the results too. There is no need to penalize a driver for a mistake that can very easily happen. The only time we won't adjust the results, is if we notice a pattern.
 

KodeyKnapmiller

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Yes, the field is frozen. But the issue started with John trying to save fuel to finish the race where he was running. As in real life, you have to maintain pace speed and cannot speed up and coast past cars on the pace laps. This should be addressed in future races, as some may try to stretch fuel mileage (which is racing) but you have to stay single file or at least not next to a car in front of you, or behind you.
 

Johnny Pierce

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Anybody got a replay they can post. Cause I really wasn't going to push the issue? Cause we really should be about fun first, but Kodey is right. If John wasn't able to maintain pace due to out of fuel, my teammate David should be 5th. If I had been in David shoes, and John reported that he was out of fuel, I would have pushed him across the line anyway, out of the spirit of sportsmanship.😁😁😁
 

smattocks

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WITH ALL DUE RESPECT!!
 I have to formally challenge the integrity of this decision, and request a conversation with the decision maker(s).  We now appear to be making up rules as we go. The new standing directly affect FLMS team standings and myself.  I submit the following in response:

1. The results were updated with what would have been the finishing race results,
But, the field was in all aspects, no matter how you look at it, frozen.
a. To be clear, under yellow flag condition, if the race has no change of going green all cars a locked into their position?  It does not matter when/where/if they cross the start/finish?
b. This is not in the rules; therefore, classified as “making up rules as we go”

2. If anyone gets a similar penalty at the end of the race, we will adjust the results too
a. Similar or same?

3. There is no need to penalize a driver for a mistake that can very easily happen
a. To be clear, if a driver mistakenly gets a pit speeding penalty he/she should not have to serve a black flag?
b. To be clear, if a driver mistakenly causes a wreck he/she should not serve an EOL?
c. etc

4. Yes, the field is frozen. But the issue started with John trying to save fuel to finish the race where he was running. As in real life, you have to maintain pace speed and cannot speed up and coast past cars on the pace laps. This should be addressed in future races, as some may try to stretch fuel mileage (which is racing) but you have to stay single file or at least not next to a car in front of you, or behind you
a. I agree, this should be addressed in future races
b. I believe John was trying to save fuel, he may also have been costing but he always maintained pace speed (80mph ± 3mph) – The replay is indisputable on this;
 

KodeyKnapmiller

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I’m not trying to cause an issue or controversy, I had no issue with the finish until the whole black flag thing came about. But, this is something that should be addressed.. he was telling people on the radio to move over so that he could save fuel and coast past them... and this shouldn’t be allowed, and if it is, then how many cars are you able to coast by before it becomes a penalty? Can you step out of line to do so? Or is the rule to stay single file with the car in front of you. As the season moves forward and points become a priority, more people will try to stretch fuel mileage. I just would like a clear picture on said scenario so that everyone knows the rules.
 

Johnny Pierce

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I agree with Steve, technically the call was probably wrong. But I assume the race directors made the call on what was earned under green flag. Everyone saw how that race ended and who earned what. That is all that matters. Kodey you earned yours, no doubt. I have found respect is way more important than points. Steve, yes you are probably technically correct. But, I can promise you will receive no help from SIMTECH racing in the future. Technically speaking of course.
 

KodeyKnapmiller

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I agree, Johnny. Everyone fought hard all race, I was just speaking up for the rest of the season so no one is put in that spot again. Great job handling it race directors. On to Atlanta 🏁
 
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