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Learning How to Drive With No Assists

Zephyr

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Im making this forum so anybody who needs help with learning assists may use it to improve their consistency and their lap times. For now we can use it for help with F1 2016 but when F1 2017 comes it out it will be more helpful.

Im going to post a video of me trying to use no assists in F1 2016 and i welcome anyone who is skilled/experienced w/o assists to criticize and critique what im doing. I recommend anyone else who is going to try to learn no assists to do the same if they are struggling.

Also, for the people who already know how to drive w/o assists, if u cant find specific things to critique in a drivers video, it would also be very helpful to give general tips and tricks that you use in order to be consistent and fast.
 

Zephyr

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Feel free to tell me anything i do wrong. It is the whole point of this topic.  The delta is in comparison to my best time with assists so you can see where im losing the most time compared to what i normally can do.

P.S. :  I recommend anyone who, like me, uses cockpit view normally to switch to TV-Pod View so people can see your throttle and brake inputs.
 

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Zephyr nice to see you trying to go without assists already with this game.

1. We need to know what is your brake values in your setup. There's pressure and can't remember what the other one is called.
2. Corners where you are losing traction like turn 1 try short shifting.
3. Get rid of the racing line, load a ghost instead to learn the braking places. Load someone without assists but not someone in the top 50 because those times are not realistic. Try Nick's ghost. You will see where the ghost goes quicker than you or where he is braking. You will also realise that some parts you might be closer to the ghost and other you will lose time. You will do many restart laps because of errors and stuff but you will realise that you will start mastering Turn 1 then the whole Sector 1 and then Sector 2 and then the full lap. Trust me that's what I do.
4. Use someone's setup from your friend list, Nick is a good baseline but Nick likes to make the car oversteer which I don't so you can tweak his setting.
5. Braking advice: when you go full brakes to a corner and you slightly turn the wheel it will lock so make sure to start releasing the brake if you intend to start turning. Also think about that the down shift slows the car for you, if you feel you are about to cook the turn give it another downshift that helps making the car turn test it.

On a good note though, you are not spinning around which I'm surprised because at start I was spinning like crazy. It will surely happen when you start pushing more then you will start to find that limit at that point you will master it.
 

Zephyr

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Darklol said:
Zephyr nice to see you trying to go without assists already with this game.

1. We need to know what is your brake values in your setup. There's pressure and can't remember what the other one is called.
2. Corners where you are losing traction like turn 1 try short shifting.
3. Get rid of the racing line, load a ghost instead to learn the braking places. Load someone without assists but not someone in the top 50 because those times are not realistic. Try Nick's ghost. You will see where the ghost goes quicker than you or where he is braking. You will also realise that some parts you might be closer to the ghost and other you will lose time. You will do many restart laps because of errors and stuff but you will realise that you will start mastering Turn 1 then the whole Sector 1 and then Sector 2 and then the full lap. Trust me that's what I do.
4. Use someone's setup from your friend list, Nick is a good baseline but Nick likes to make the car oversteer which I don't so you can tweak his setting.
5. Braking advice: when you go full brakes to a corner and you slightly turn the wheel it will lock so make sure to start releasing the brake if you intend to start turning. Also think about that the down shift slows the car for you, if you feel you are about to cook the turn give it another downshift that helps making the car turn test it.

On a good note though, you are not spinning around which I'm surprised because at start I was spinning like crazy. It will surely happen when you start pushing more then you will start to find that limit at that point you will master it.

Thank you for your criticisms. They are very helpful. To answer what break pressure im using, i was using the default 80% and a brake bias of 62%.  

Also about your number 3 points, im just trying to get used to no ABS and TCS in F1 2016. Im not going to bother learning the braking points for this game because they will change for F1 2017 anyway.

Lastly, i'm already pretty happy with my setup. It is a tweaked version of someone's who uses no assists anyway. And btw, i have been spinning sometimes. I would say i spin out at least once every other lap or so. I just didnt show those parts because it is pretty obvious what the solution is (more gentle on the throttle).
 

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We are all gonna use Nick ghost lolll

Thanks for this thread, and good idea about recording practice and can see after what we need to work on. I'll do it too with 2016 sometime this weekend
 

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Try moving your brake bias to 60% 59% or 58% I personally never go over 60% otherwise I just lock the fronts too much.
 

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Oooooh can I get in on this? I'll post a video too, I want help realizing my bad habits and what needs to be done to become consistent and safe. I always use nick and Zephyrs ghosts to practice. I'm happy if I'm within or near a second behind nick and zephyr usually has it down packed with a realistic time. I've had many instances when I was on par with zephyr but I mess up sector 3 a little and zephyr is ahead by like .700 before I finish the lap. Helps me learn the track too. I doubt zephyr will need to improve much to be competitive next season.
 

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DEADZERO said:
Oooooh can I get in on this? I'll post a video too, I want help realizing my bad habits and what needs to be done to become consistent and safe. I always use nick and Zephyrs ghosts to practice. I'm happy if I'm within or near a second behind nick and zephyr usually has it down packed with a realistic time. I've had many instances when I was on par with zephyr but I mess up sector 3 a little and zephyr is ahead by like .700 before I finish the lap. Helps me learn the track too. I doubt zephyr will need to improve much to be competitive next season.

Ty for the compliment. The thing is I will be down the pack a lot more next season as i will have practically no experience in using no assists. For example, ive been doing a lot of my no assist practicing in Australia and my best time is a 1:27.4 in TT so more likely a 1:27.6 or so in actual qualifying, That would have put me almost dead last this season. That is more than a few seconds off the pace and doesnt show my incosistency. I only finish 40-50% of my laps without spinning or crashing
 

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Well I know about 80% of the field used assists this season so I think many people would fall down in their lap times to start the season and get better as the weeks went on. Plus these new cars could be drastically different from this year's cars, might be easier to control even though real life drivers said the new cars have more oversteer, but there is good and bad oversteer. It could just be the right amount of oversteer since the wings are larger in the back, it might not be over the top. I'm excited to see how the races turn out with no assists. I know rainy weather and getting off the line would be a problem with me and my lead foot. I only have a G27 but I feel like I need to upgrade my wheel to get a better feel for the loss of traction. The G27 just gets really loose which isn't realistic in my opinion.

Also like to apologize for run on sentences. I sometimes have conversations with other people when I write these long posts so the flow gets all messed up when I need to stop writing for a moment.
 

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Exactly what DeadZero said, a good percentage of drivers needs to switch to no assists too so there will be many Top 5 finishes to grab for sure. It will be all about how of a clean race you can do.

DeadZero, I feel the same about my G27 also. The looseness in the middle makes it hard to feel where you car starts to oversteer. That's why the car setup is very important. Nick's setup tend to have that little oversteer in it so make sure you correct that. But I'm definitely buying a new wheel and right now I'm waiting for the Fanatec CSL Elite PS4 version to come out.

Again, F1 2017 might be totally different for myself I got the feel of the car's traction more quickly than F1 2016. Probably because they made the cars with more mechanical grip due to the bigger tires.
 

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Darklol said:
Exactly what DeadZero said, a good percentage of drivers needs to switch to no assists too so there will be many Top 5 finishes to grab for sure. It will be all about how of a clean race you can do.

DeadZero, I feel the same about my G27 also. The looseness in the middle makes it hard to feel where you car starts to oversteer. That's why the car setup is very important. Nick's setup tend to have that little oversteer in it so make sure you correct that. But I'm definitely buying a new wheel and right now I'm waiting for the Fanatec CSL Elite PS4 version to come out.

Again, F1 2017 might be totally different for myself I got the feel of the car's traction more quickly than F1 2016. Probably because they made the cars with more mechanical grip due to the bigger tires.

I just wish that PRL told us earlier that there would be no assists allowed. I just dont know if im going to be ready by the time the season starts. I might just have to become a reserve driver if im still struggling after the game is out.
 

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Just made a video of me getting used to no assists, and im pretty happy with myself for going from 5 seconds off my pace to only 2 in 15 laps (gave a little celebratory doughnut at the end) anyways would love some critic and advice. Thanks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wBfSuZeNHc&feature=youtu.be
 

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There has been some corners i have been struggling on when running no TCS. I've been getting a lot of oversteer and losing a lot of time because of it. Im having trouble with corners that are low speed but where you are accelerating u are not going straight (not like last corner of Spa, for example turn 1 of Bahrain). Turn 1 of bahrain is one especially when u have to be turning while you are trying to accelerate back to full throttle. Any tips on how to reduce the oversteer?
 

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I don't know if it's still the case with F1 2016 - F1 2017. but maybe you can try to increase the rear wing. Yes you'll have less top speed, and less oversteer and a more stable car. You'll also have more turn-in!
 

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Zephyr said:
There has been some corners i have been struggling on when running no TCS. I've been getting a lot of oversteer and losing a lot of time because of it. Im having trouble with corners that are low speed but where you are accelerating u are not going straight (not like last corner of Spa, for example turn 1 of Bahrain). Turn 1 of bahrain is one especially when u have to be turning while you are trying to accelerate back to full throttle. Any tips on how to reduce the oversteer?

Don't go too quickly in full throttle and short shift to the next gear.

That's how I managed to improve my times this season.
 

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Maybe I actually stand a chance this season because I've done all of my practice with no assists this past year (but I can't make it through a full race without spinning once or twice...).
 

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piboye said:
Maybe I actually stand a chance this season because I've done all of my practice with no assists this past year (but I can't make it through a full race without spinning once or twice...).

thats what im worried about. I am still at best 1.5 seconds down each lap in TT (it will be even further down when i have worn tires and heavy fuel) but i can barely make it 2-3 laps without having a major spin.
 
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