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Cautious on Lap 1 if there is a big crash?

Should we throw a cautious on Lap 1 if there is a big crash?

  • Yes

    Votes: 10 47.6%
  • Yes, but only on 1 hour races

    Votes: 1 4.8%
  • No

    Votes: 10 47.6%

  • Total voters
    21

jeromef1

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Jerome Berthiaume
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As discussed a lot in race topics this season, we are creating this poll to talk about the possibility of throwing a cautious if there is a big crash on Lap 1 for Season 14. We think it should only apply for Lap 1.

Before voting, keep in mind that a cautious may remove minimum 10 minutes of racing.

Please feel free to share it about this!
 

Sassy_McSassypants

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Pete Mobroten
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JustinHall164 said:
If this does get implemented, what are the thoughts on just making every race 1 hr?

It shouldn't be common enough to warrant expecting and accounting for time lost to an L1 safety car as a general rule. It should be an extraordinary circumstance. Discouraging it from being needed in the first place (when possible) should be a separate but equally if not even more important consideration.
 

JustinHall164

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Sassy_McSassypants said:
JustinHall164 said:
If this does get implemented, what are the thoughts on just making every race 1 hr?

It shouldn't be common enough to warrant expecting and accounting for time lost to an L1 safety car as a general rule. It should be an extraordinary circumstance. Discouraging it from being needed in the first place (when possible) should be a separate but equally if not even more important consideration.

That is a good point, I guess I'm just a bit jaded because I haven't been able to make it to lap 2 with a clean car in the last few races.
 

FKNCommishLB

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jeromef1 said:
Also, 1 hour race means broadcast cost higher and entry fee higher (if we do it) :(


I'm sure if you get us some particulars on what the 1 hr race cost would be, we as a league could consider it and figure out what we think we'd like to do. :)
 

jeromef1

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Also, here is another problem with that. This season, except for 1 race, I have been available and present as race director. Next season, I will be at school on Tuesday night and I will not be able to be there as a director. So we will not have anyone next season to manage this.

We only have a few votes saying yes only on hour races. So I'm wondering if it worth to have all season 1 hour races as we follow official iracing schedule.
 

jeromef1

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After discussion between management team, even if the poll is 55% in favor of safety car when a big crash happen, we have decided to not use the cautious on lap 1 because of the following reason:
[ul]
[li]When we throw a cautious on a road circuit, this will remove around 10 minutes of racing.[/li]
[li]Race broadcast may be boring if there is no race for 10 minutes.[/li]
[li]Next season, there will not have any race director like this season (I'm at school on Tuesday night)[/li]
[li]Last two races show that we are able to make fantastic start![/li]
[li]There was only one bad race that could have been avoidable this season (Watkins Glen). Imola was a netcode issue, so unavoidable.[/li]
[/ul]
Thanks to everyone who take the time to reply to this poll. Sorry if we make some drivers upset with the decision, but we hope you understand why we took them.
 

athacker

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jeromef1 said:
After discussion between management team, even if the poll is 55% in favor of safety car when a big crash happen, we have decided to not use the cautious on lap 1 because of the following reason:
[ul]
[li]When we throw a cautious on a road circuit, this will remove around 10 minutes of racing.[/li]
[li]Race broadcast may be boring if there is no race for 10 minutes.[/li]
[li]Next season, there will not have any race director like this season (I'm at school on Tuesday night)[/li]
[li]Last two races show that we are able to make fantastic start![/li]
[li]There was only one bad race that could have been avoidable this season (Watkins Glen). Imola was a netcode issue, so unavoidable.[/li]
[/ul]
Thanks to everyone who take the time to reply to this poll. Sorry if we make some drivers upset with the decision, but we hope you understand why we took them.

This is a disappointing decision and confirms my original statement that you desire feedback from the community, but ultimately it doesn't matter. Simply because the last two races have been responsible starts should not disqualify the results and assume the problem has disappeared. I respect the collective decision by management; however, this leaves a bad taste in the mouth of those who voted for the motion with the hopes it would improve the league competition only to discover regardless of the majority vote, nothing will change.

I have very much enjoyed running in the league this season, yet observing this type of diplomacy has made me rethink my decision to race again next season. As always, thank you for listening.
 

TRG

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One thing that Jerome didn't mention was that we discussed the question of what would a caution solve? It won't save the race for anyone involved since there is no fast repair. It may get some drivers to slow down, but would it slow anyone down than a big wreck anyway? In the end, a caution would likely come out too late to save many cars from a big incident.

While I respect your opinion, I have to disagree that a full course caution is the way to go with this series. I understand your frustration with the decision, but from my desk the poll was designed to gain insight into drivers opinions, and it shows that the field is closely divided on the issue. If it was more one-sided I would expect that to impact the final decision with more weight.

Thanks for voicing your concerns in a respectful manner, it is appreciated.
 

SharkV

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Hi,

It’ve been in this league since March 2016, ran in all road series since, and from all those races, we had a couple of big incidents at the start of a race. I ran FR, Pro Mazda, GT3, porche cup, skippy, GTE, etc. I don’t think that having a full course yellow will be a plus to the series.
 

SharkV

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Hi,

It’ve been in this league since March 2016, ran in all road series since, and from all those races, we had a couple of big incidents at the start of a race.  I ran FR, Pro Mazda, GT3, porche cup, skippy, GTE, etc.   I don’t think that having a full course yellow will be a plus to the series.

Also, if you think that we don’t care about drivers’ opinions, look there, http://precisionracingleague.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=139&t=2054


When a series is in good health, it is good too make changes one at a time.   We think that following iRacing start pocedure can take care of the stats mishaps. If we see that we still have issues, we may implement yellow flags then.  Like we took out the fast repair a couples of season ago...we want drivers to have the best time with PRL and that is why we are careful about making too many changes..
 
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